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Q: | I just got this as the typical flow for a dialysis system. Can we put the Oxy before the multi-media filters and the copper before the R-O or after the R-O, after the UV, or both if we are talking of a redundant system. Note that they are using a softener. | ||
A: | The ECOsmarte system can only be used as a pretreatment to the RO for dialysis with the redundancy for bacteria control on the RO membrane and Legionella control on the full facility coming from the assumption that the water is chlorinated at a municipal source. Per my previous mail we cannot install post RO and achieve a practical ionization level, and we cannot lower solids with our 20 micron filters to a medical grade water. | ||
Q: | I am a spa retailer and pool builder
in Maryland and am interested in carrying ECOsmarte. I do have a couple
questions. First, is this system approved by any agencies or organizations (government or private) such as the EPA or NSPA? I am just curious as to what testing has been done outside of your own company. Second, what do you need from me to become a dealer and do you offer exclusive rights? | ||
A: | Our product has been approved by the US EPA
since 1995, no plans exist to list with NSF although our recent ETL / UL
listing on our automated systems allows us to now install on commercial
sites by our invitation only, with our unique ability to run free chlorine
equal to total chlorine in managed bather load environments. The main opportunity with Ecosmarte is new pools built where we command the highest price and margin in the industry and give our 24 unit builder a sixty mile protected territory. Six units are required to receive wholesale pricing, a dealer contract and web/mail promotion. The exclusive will go in place for the balance of 2007 as you attempt to sell the 24 systems, pool or spa combined the first year. On Monday I will send you a complete info package via priority mail, including details on our Swim in Bottled Water, Double Warranty for New Pools built. Our natural oxygen, ionic copper and carbon dioxide for ph control systems remain the only product that uses no regular chemical or salt. Your purchase will be 100 per cent money back guarantee--zero returns since we instituted this in 1999 as part of the dealer startup program. The only negative with Ecosmarte is incompatibility with cartridges on pools and extra purchases of cartridges with spa customers. For contacting me you receive a Glass Pack at no charge for the sand filter site of your choosing-- you wont believe the quality of the water or the lack of backwashing with this three year old product. All I need is you to fax me (612-866-0152) an address next week along with an existing site sand filter model to ship it to you. The water will be better than DE with none of the work. Larry Couture North American Sales Manager PS Nearly every builder we sample starts selling the Glass on new and existing pools--$1 per pound of filter capacity plus install. Cost 25 to 30 cents per lb. | ||
Q: | We are pricing a facility that uses
40,000 gallons per day. The one million flow through will occur in 24 days.
Can I have an idea on how long the copper will last in this application?
What about the titanium? What about for us in a cooling tower...do we estimate 2-3 ears on the copper and still 5 years on the titanium like the pools. | ||
A: | Towers and chillers use cu bars every ninety
days average with complete schedule 80 cu/oxy change out on the chambers
every three years for costing. An annual change out of cu bars and media
should be budgeted on the POE. I NEED TO CLARIFY ON THE COMMERCIAL THE ONE MILLION IS PER CUBE OF GAC AND THE BIRM IS Is a function of the heavy metals. I have several 60 GPM, double your 400000 with extreme heavy metal issues I have put 6 cubic foot, six pack filters on that now make it three years on the change out and used double that volume for planning purposes. Each repurchased a six tank package on new sites, having started with two well water filter tanks initially The six pack gave them three tanks with two cubes of media each and one has installed now a third even larger system for 120000 gallons per day Six pack photos are downloadable from the COMMERCIAL frame, these growers export baby flower plugs globally as their business. We sold the $9000 well initially and moved tem to $18000 , three or four years later, avoiding the inconvenience of the re-bed charged out at $2000 per year . I assume they will change media in the fourth year, there was no guarantee of this and they elected to have extra capacity on their new expanded facilities. Eight years history on these with dramatic results makes the re-bed material from a time standpoint only, although they had your same concerns initially and we had no site experience. | ||
Q: | The pool has a polyester lining – he has known other
ionization /oxygen systems causing major problems and rapid deterioration of the
polyester and for this reason, they have gone back to using salt/chlorine.
In Tourtour, we have very hard water with extremely high calcium content – will this cause a problem with the electrodes becoming fouled or any other degradation of the system or its operation? | ||
A: | Our system does not require or allow the use of chlorine with the ionizer which has been the source of numerous issues. The Ecosmarte oxygen allows for the body oils and uric acids to keep the water clear without a chemical oxidizer. In our country the CO2 tanks have a CGA 320 certification to ensure both safe transport and indoor use, I assume similar protections are in place in the EU. In our city, Richfield MN the local school district could not obtain insurance unless they switched from acid to CO2 for ph control, a trend in the US. The higher the calcium the better the argument for Ecosmarte as we keep the calcium soluble bicarbonate with the increased oxygen level in the water-- no scale and an entire product line of POE whole house systems evolved from the scale control in the Ecosmarte pools, as seen at www.ecosmarte.com We took the CO2 concept from the Aquarium industry nearly 11 years ago and have zero incidents to alleviate you concerns. | ||
Q: | With regard to the home unit, I'll take another look at our plans...but we don't have a filter for the house (unless you're meaning the pool filter)...and nothing in the garage that we can tell. I'll try to see where the water pipe goes as it hits our property. The contractor said something about our needing to cut into the pipe, and re-direct things. | ||
A: | Let the installer worry about the house water, worst case your water comes in at a meter at the driveway and splits, best case the water enters the garage at a pressure regulator and there is no split of the pipe prior to the point of entry. The filter for ECOsmarte would install next to the water heater, which I assume is in the garage, catching all of your water including the pool. | ||
Q: | Will this system address a high sulfur smell in well water? Approximately how much to purchase and install for a residential system? | ||
A: | We will easily handle sulfur smell, without accessories or increased filter change out frequency up to 1000ppm, which is pretty radical Our system sells for $5995, which includes a 150 item EPA analysis, all accessories that ma be required to treat other contaminants in the water and will support a 4000 sq ft four bath house with 1/4 acre irrigation. We have install available in most of North America. The filters have a five year life with a change out cost of $600. Thanks for your interest in www.ecosmarte.com and I can be reached at 1-800-466-7946 to answer additional questions or to schedule an install. | ||
Q: | I recently heard of a company that was using stainless electrodes with a pulsed frequency low voltage. What I was wondering about is their explanation on the conversion from calcium bicarbonate to calcium carbonate as the reason for the characteristic that restructures the minerals. I somehow thought it was the other way around. | ||
A: | You're right. Not only does H2O concepts have the bicarbonate/carbonate description backwards, they have questionable scale control with marginal German science behind it, no bacteria control and some of their material promises a lifetime warranty on the filter and valve. They do sell removal of chemicals which helps our overall efforts and usually maintain pricing equal or higher to our city water POE. They have had marginal well water results and their config will load with iron and manganese. They began in Scottsdale, AZ in 2003 and are regional in AZ, NV and S. Cal. Pointing out the bacteria build up in their lifetime filter usually converts the prospect to ECOsmarte. Calcium bicarbonate is defined as temporary hardness, meaning when the water is heated or evaporated it reverts to carbonate. No acceptance of bicarbonate calcium existed before 2001 when Stanford entered it into Yahoo science and legitimized it for our purposes. Despite this we still have chemical engineers and old school chemistry academics denying its existence. Their is some evidence that low level scale control can be accomplished by electronic pulse. Be careful with this in Golf as their consulting engineers look at the the minerals as more desirable in carbonate form (they interfere less with chemicals) and fail to understand or recognize the de-scale effect we have demonstrated on the soil, particularly in the higher sodium desert waters. Troon Golf, global and based in Scottsdale, accepted this thru their SR Agronomist as "reverse-ion exchange" in the soil, a terminology I like. We exchange the calcium for the sodium buildup in the soil, loosening it and allowing the water to more efficiently serve the root level as the sodium in the irrigation water now passes lower than the root level, and water retention in terms of soil moisture level increases. On irrigation water levels with 200ppm or higher salts (most grey water, many western wells and rural city's) our results are quite dramatic as evidenced in the initial beta site in Weatherford TX, Canyon West Golf. | ||
Q: |
This is a copy
of the test result for your reference, for which I have a few questions. 1. There is a some TCE detected. Is this capable of being treated by the system? 2. How is the turbidity handled. 3. The Nitrate level is in the mid range. Can this be reduced? 4. The pH at 6.7 is in the low range. Could the volcanic source of the water be a factor here. Also, can this go up slightly with the Ecosmarte process? | ||
A: | The TCE should be eliminated as should the
turbidity thru filtration and oxidation with the Ecosmarte well water
system. The nitrates would require a special resin tank to move them at all
in this low ph water, which will rise about .1 with the Ecosmarte system.
The conversion to bicarbonates from the oxygenation and ionization
,however, will widen the corrodibility index making this 6.8 level ph
non-corrosive with Ecosmarte versus the mildly corrosive level it is at
untreated. We add ph up tanks only if the ph is 6.4 or lower only, whereas
the water industry considers them at 7.0. Their chemical treatment methods
will not remove ANY iron from the water below that 7.0 level and will always
leave the manganese untreated, which is black staining and oil slick in
appearance at levels as low as .1ppm. Ecosmarte removes both the iron and
manganese, without ph movement tanks at ranges between 6.5 and 8.5 ph-- a
huge technology advantage since both of these metals stain fixtures. It is
no coincidence that many water industry requested lab tests do not test for
manganese, not to be confused with magnesium which we convert to bicarbonate
with the calcium. Calcium and magnesium are healthy to both people and plant
life. Brine based water softeners remove both the calcium and magnesium,
leaving sodium levels increased by 200 to 300ppm, and increase the ability
to corrode to control scaling. These softeners also discharge brine daily
which is commonly referred to and tested as chloride by environmental
regulators and municipal water treatment professionals. The additional resin tank when nitrates are above 11ppm is factory sponsored under our EPA quality guarantee and there is a school district testimonial from Idaho on the website that began with a 25ppm nitrate level which we addressed successfully for several years until the zero nitrate city water was made available. The turbidity level on a water test generally indicates the electrode cleaning frequency and on a residential water volume this would be every other month, commercial every month with turbidity over 5. We have successfully addressed turbidity levels as high as 40. To properly quote a possible media change out before the warranty period on this water test, we will need the water volume estimated on either a daily, monthly or annual basis, recognizing we use more water in higher heat months and medias and resins can saturate based on volume. Filter and resin tank sizes are defined by the maximum flow rate on the site, targeted for specific contaminant removal. | ||
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